X
HGG Community Forums
Log In to HorseGeneticsGame
HGG Community Forums
Join our discord server!
Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Categories
- All Discussions68,241
- Announcements356
- HJ2 Discussion67,060
- ↳ New Member Introductions569
- ↳ Help me out3,469
- ↳ Horses For Sale and Auction12,515
- ↳ Breeding Ads and Sales3,456
- ↳ Herd Helper39,570
- ↳ Bug Discussion120
- ↳ Repair Log12
- General Discussion825
- ↳ Saddle Sisterhood32
- ↳ Games, Contests and GiveAWays54
- ↳ Genetics245
In this Discussion
- Cheers February 2018
- ConfluenceFarms February 2018
- GallifreyanAngel February 2018
- SandycreekFarm February 2018
- Snapdragon February 2018
Who's Online (0)
Pasture Breeding?
-
I'm reading about different approaches, it says that the longer mares are pastured, the better the foals. Does that hold true in comparison to immediate breeding not in the pasture? Is a pasture-bred after 30 days going to be a sure thing better foal than if I just use the in-house breeding?
-
So, all horses have a breeding quality “range” that they throw foals from. So, let’s say that Breeding quality is a percentage score (which we know is true) and that perfect foundations have 100% breeding ability (which we also know is true). Everything from here number wise is pure speculation.
So, if a PF is 100%, let’s say they can throw foals in a range from, 90-109%. (And of course, both parents contribute and the scores are averaged to give you the foal’s score). Think of that range as a slider bar. For every day the mare is in the pasture, the slider slowly covers up a tiny bit at the bottom of her breeding range, so if she’s in there for 30 Days, it’s only some portion (we don’t know how big) of the top of her range that she can throw foals from.
Of course, the stallion doesn’t get the bonus, so if he throws from the bottom of his range you still may not get amazing foals, but you have a better chance at them being nice foals and passing testing if you Pasture Breed with the full bonus.Thanked by 1ConfluenceFarms -
(So basically, the foals won’t be better than what you have the chance to get using hand breeding. But the foals will be from the top portion of the mare’s range, which means overall quality over time will be higher than you would get with the same breeding pairs hand bred)
-
The most important thing you have to keep in mind is that breeding ability is a range, not a single percentage. So each mare can contribute to the breeding ability or the showing ability of her foal from a number of percentages from the lowest possible to the highest. Her range is combined with the stallions range in a formula only Ammit knows to produce breeding and showing ranges for a foal.
The pasture bonus for mares like an expandable shutter that gradually creeps over the low end of the mares range. Only Ammit knows how far it creeps with each pasture day, or exactly where in her range it stops. We just know that after day 30 in pasture, the bonus has reached its largest extent.
Once a mare is removed from the pasture for any reason, all of the bonus is lost. It is not a permanent change. If she is taken out for hand breeding, or, for Premium Upgrades, to collect eggs, she is back to her full available range.
There are no guarantees for better foals even with the pasture bonus. The metaphorical ability dice are rerolled (that is, the random number is generated) for every foal, no matter where the mare is held, stall or pasture. There is also no effect at all on a stallions breeding range.
So, even with 30 days in pasture, if the die for the mare falls at or near the bottom of what remains of her breeding range, and the die for the stallion falls at or near the bottom of his range, the foal will most likely be neutered by breeding advice. There is just a better chance that the foal may be intact, because there is a restriction that allows the mare's contribution to have a better chance to come from the top end of her range.
It's like rolling dice. If you're working with one die, you have an even chance of any number from 1 to 6 ending up on top, so there is a 1 in 6 chance of a given number appearing with every throw. That ratio never changes no matter how often you throw the dice in a row.
But if you have a 4 sided die with the numbers 3, 4, 5, 6, then there is a 1 in 4 chance of one specific number turning up. And if you have a 3 sided die with the numbers 4, 5, 6 on it, the there is a 1 in 3 chance of a specific number showing up. In each case, the odds of rolling a high number have been improved a bit. And that's how the showing bonus works.
De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592 -
:D, Cheers. You beat me out of the starting line. However, we explained things in slightly different ways, so hopefully the differences will contribute to understanding.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592Thanked by 1Cheers -
I think I understand but now my tiny brain is stuck staring at my game dice...
Thanks! -
One more aspect - the pasture says 'X' many mares and 'X' many stallions. When the time comes to breed, do I chuck one stallion in and he gets all those mares? Can I specify to leave a few open so I can pop a different stallion in? If I put two in, do I get to specify which mares they each breed?
-
No, all of the mares in the pasture will be bred by the stallion. If you have multiple stallions in the pasture, its random who breeds to who. There's no way to dictate which mare goes to which stallion in the pasture :)
-
Thanks!
-
And remember, since this is live cover, and stallions can only live cover 50 mares. If one of the stallions has already covered 17 mares in the barn, he will only 'get to' 33 of the pasture mares (17 + 33 = 50) and the second stallion will cover the rest (depending, of course, on how many live covers he has left).
Thanked by 1Snapdragon -
Oh are aren't you smart! I haven't got 50 mares yet, but I'll try to remember that! -
Don’t worry. We have all ended up at some point with less foals in the pasture than we expected, scratching our heads and trying to figure out what went wrong, only to bring it to the forum and have some one point out that we had 3 year old mares in the pasture or the stallion already had 50 foals. It’s no big deal!
-
The pasture trap I fell into was leaving a stallion in one and being totally confused as to why there were no foals, only to discover that he had turned 20 without me noticing. Oops. :\">De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592