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VioletStables · Jan 2, 2018 1:51 PM

So, I've been looking at the links and I can't quite figure out how to "breed even." I know some people say to cross by generation, but Ammit says cross based on PT production. How do I figure out what a stallion or mare will produce? Do I cross PTs that are close? How close is close enough? Or am I not getting this right at all?

Dinascar · Jan 2, 2018 2:04 PM

Crossing by gen and paper level is probably best. Most people just do by gen but I think it helps to look at paper level as well :) It's not necessarily their PTs but the PT of their offspring that matters more in breeding - their AFPT. But I have only been playing a short while I am sure others will be better placed to help. :)

Coeur · Jan 2, 2018 2:18 PM

When people are referring to even breeding that are talking about generational breeding. For example foundation x foundation. Those offspring will be gen 2 and bred to other gen 2 horses, their resulting offspring will be gen 3 and so forth. There has been recent conversation about straying away from generational breeding and trying to breed paper levels. C to yellow, B to red, A to Blue, Star to Gold. By breeding even paper levels you have the best chance for an intact foal.

For a lot of people generational breeding and paper breeding go hand in hand. I require my horses to be certain paper levels per generation so that keeps all of mine on the same level in each generation. I personally do not pay much attention to PT or AFPT as I've had some horses with lower PT's be some of my best producers.

Hopefully this helps.

HunterUnderSaddleGirl · Jan 2, 2018 2:31 PM

I think it's just important to do whatever you want but understand how things work. I personally have a "show line" with no rules and a generational line. Also in certain cases I use BA and others SBA. In my generational line I have no issues breeding a 2G red to a 2G A. Sure less horses will be intact but you can only have so many colts anyway! My show line is a bit different from the end goal right now, not enough mares and trying to breed in some cool colors. My Star stallion I only breed to Blue+ mares. No yellows in my show line. (Except I might do some foundation mares to a high A so I can get horses that go for 2nd gen awards). Usually I use no B stallions (or even low As) except for a Homo KP stallion.

VioletStables · Jan 2, 2018 3:11 PM

How do you find AFPT? I only have a basic account, so I can't paper my horses either yet.

Stone Run Stables · Jan 2, 2018 3:24 PM

AFPT is found by adding up your foals PT scores and dividing them by the number of foals your mare has had (I can't for the life of me remember the mathematical term for this).

An example would be a mare has 4 foals their PTs are 10.0, 10.2, 10.5 and 9.9. The mares AFPT would be 10.15.

I'm not sure if this is helpful because I'm not 100% sure basic accounts can PT test? If you can I hope this makes sense.

VioletStables · Jan 2, 2018 3:41 PM

That does help. Thanks. That was actually my next step, I was just checking to make sure there wasn't some magically easy way to find out what it was that didn't include a bunch of math. No worries! I love math!

Haltanny · Jan 2, 2018 3:42 PM

((Stone Run, it's the "average". ;) AFPT = average foal performance test.))

Keep notes of the pt on foals that are removed from the game for a more accurate AFPT. If a horse has 4 living foals with those number, but also had foals with 7.8, 8.9 and 9.2, it would make the true AFPT much lower than if those 4 were the only foals.

OndowaStables · Jan 2, 2018 3:48 PM

One of the features of a premium upgrade is that the game will calculate AFPT for you and display it on the horses' family tab, barn and pasture listing and search results.

kintara · Jan 2, 2018 4:41 PM

If you breed equal quality you will get more intact foals, but not necessarily better foals. I try to improve each generation, which is the point of even generations for me, it gives a baseline to track quality. So if I want blue papered mares by gen3, I'm am quite happy using an A papered gen2 stallion on red papered gen2 mares, as any that stay intact are worth keeping. But I'd get more intact foals of varying quality if I used a B papered gen2 stallion. If that makes sense!

Most mixed generation breeding often doesn't really go anywhere and ends up just breeding for pretty colours of no particular quality. Which of course is fine, you can breed/play any way that you choose. But poor quality foals won't usually sell well no matter what the colour.

VioletStables · Jan 2, 2018 4:57 PM

Of course. My oldest horses are 12 I think this season, so I haven't been playing long. But I'm really trying to improve my lines without too much trial and error, if you know what I mean. Now, how much consideration needs to be taken with consistent vs inconsistent? What does it even mean?

kintara · Jan 2, 2018 8:06 PM

Inconsistent foals usually have a lower PT, it doesn't change their breeding quality, but I believe it can affect breeding advice. They are inconsistent showers, but that can be in your favour as often as against it. The occasional inconsistent horse doesn't matter much, but if continually breeding inconsistent horses the PT's will drop and you'll get lots of altered horses

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