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A few questions (genetics, breeds, etc)
  • I started in the last few weeks and I'm still figuring some things out. I just had a couple questions- if anybody could help me or answer them that'd be awesome!

    1) I decided to breed Appaloosas because I really love the unique color patterns and markings but I think I'm mixing up my Appys and Paints. I know Appaloosa is straight spots, but what is the difference between Appaloosa and Spotted, Tobiano, and Rabicano? Tobiano Appaloosa seems to make the best combos but I'm still experimenting.

    2) When you breed two different horse types together, say Light and Medium, which type will the foal take? With mine, it seems to take the father's type but I haven't been checking.

    3) I know foundation horses are those made from Creates, but what are the requirements for a lined horse?

    I'm sure I'll think of more, I forgot some.
  • Ok lets see if I can answer them all.
    1. Appaloosas can come in all kinds of patterns. I breed for Leopard Appies and I also breed for Pinaloosa, with a very specific pattern in mind.
    Here is a link for the leo appy gene http://www.huntandjump.com/geneticsguide/?page_id=80
    and one for the other appy markings http://www.huntandjump.com/geneticsguide/?page_id=190
    I line breed all my herds. Here is one of my second generation Pintaloosa's had the exact markings I'm breeding for with the look I want for my herd.
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    944456


    I'll answer the other stuff later tonight.
  • Answer to question 2 - you add the 2 bone numbers together divide by 2 and then there seems to be a small random element.
  • Here is a Tobiano
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    Varsity Player G


    Rabicano
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    Hidden Asset G


    There are many types of Appys though,
    Varnished (or at least that is what I call them)
    image
    Camera Man G


    Blanket
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    Sweet Camera 2G


    Full Blanket w/ spots
    image
    Irish Dare 2G


    Tobiano Appy
    (Fj pictured above)

    One of the many White Spotted patterns (it has nothing to do with Appys)
    image
    DS8 256428


    Splash
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    EE Shower 271542


    Snowflake Appy
    image
    AT3 Phantom Blue


    That's about it that I can think of at the moment. You can always PM me or anyone else with more appy questions!
    Hope this helped and wasn't too overwhelming!Lol :))
    ~Blu/Bean
  • The requirements for a lined horse is to have traceable parentage or, more precisely, horses that have parents that were created or bred by players.
    Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
    Prices are almost always negotiable.
  • @fj1482 Thanks for the explanation of markings and the picture!

    @Dinascar Okay thank you!

    @Lifestlye Oh wow. Thanks for all the pictures. :) That helps a lot. Secondary question though, white spotted has nothing to do with the Appaloosa coloration? It's different?

    @ObsidianKitsune Okay cool. That makes sense. So basically not a foundation horse.
  • No problem ^^ And no, white spotted is to do with the kit genes, excluding kit roan and kit tobiano. Have you played with the horse search yet? You can go in there and choose what kit genes you want to have a look at. Personally, I love kitw8 as I think it looks a bit like someone used the spraypaint function on Paint!
    Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
    Prices are almost always negotiable.
  • Kit is a gene that can have many mutations, or places where the gene has been broken. These are all the Kit mutations in the game.

    Kitr= roan
    Kitto = tobiano
    I'm assuming that you are familiar with the effect of these two common genes.

    KitSb1 = Sabino 1 Here's one example. There are many looks depending on white factor.
    image
    Ls3 Gilderian Indigo


    KitSb2 = Sabino 2
    image
    Carnival Magic


    These mutations all show as White Spotted in the color name. The genetic test result will specify which specific mutation it is.
    Kitw = White 1
    image
    Hubert


    Kitw2 = White 2
    image
    Glowing Moon


    Kitw3 = White 3
    image
    449353


    Kitw8 = White 8
    image
    DCFsu Leaves Eyes


    Kitw10 = White 10
    image
    Double Power JJwtW3


    Kitw20 = White 20 This mutation generally enhances the amount of white on a horse. This horse only has White 20. The spot on her nose is a fairly frequent sign of this mutation.
    image
    Ruby Rose


    Kitm =White M
    image
    FF Hasty Bandit


    I generally picked horses with less white factor (but not usually none) because they are most likely to show the characteristic patterning each mutation gives. Horses with larger white factor will have more white. Extensive White Factor with White 1 for instance will leave just the ears pigmented, with maybe a few spots of color elsewhere on the face.
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

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  • Also, when breeding the Kit mutations, as touched on above, if the Kit gene is TOO broken the resulting foal will not survive. Here is a thread discussing leathal white combinations and a chart showing which crosses carry the biggest risks.

    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/9115/updated-lethality-chart#Item_25
    image
  • 2. Breeding to types together depends on the weight and height of the individual horses being bred. If you breed a riding horse and a draft chances are you can get anyone of the three types. If you breed riding horses with a warmblood you will get one of those two types and same with warmblood and draft.

    3. Like I said before I line breed all of my herds. I normally start with one or two foundation stallions and at least 30 mares. I breed them as much as I can and then pick 2 stallions and 30 mares from my 2nd generation and so on. I have more control of my herd that way. I can exactly what I'm looking for in pattern just like my pintaloosa's.
  • If you haven't looked through the genetics guide yet, I'd suggest reading it. There's some useful information and some good pictures there.
  • I'll answer the above comments when I have more time. I just have a second right now. And one question.

    What does inconsistent vs consistent mean for breeding?
  • For breeding I would say nothing. I know they thinking about it has changed since I have been gone. When I fist started there were a few people who cared but not many. I really don't care in my foundations and I do believe that SBA will actually snip foals who are more inconsistent then their parents so I really don't pay attention to it. What it is suppose to mean is that your horse is more dependable and even tempered which I guess makes them more opt to win. I always thought it was funny though that it doesn't say anything about consistently winning it just says consistent so I've always thought it means just that they will be consistent, whether they will consistently loose or consistently win is a whole other story lol
  • Consistency is about the difference a horse will score in shows, and thus consistent horses can be rather good show horses since you'll always know what score they'll get for a show. Consistent horses tend to throw consistent foals, however sometimes they'll throw inconsistent foals.

    Inconsistency also lowers pt a bit.
    Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
    Prices are almost always negotiable.
  • Consistency refers to the score that horse will get in their shows for the week. Consistent horses will get nearly the same scores each time, inconsistent horses can get wildly different scores.

    Here's a great post that explains all that.
    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/20397/what-does-consistent-and-inconsistent-mean#Item_1

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