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best friend · Jun 13, 2017 7:36 PM

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=955097

ObsidianKitsune · Jun 13, 2017 7:49 PM

My guess would be parents are low blue/A, and this horse is a high B. He's either slightly worse than or as good as, which the breeding advice doesn't alter if I remember correctly.

best friend · Jun 13, 2017 7:57 PM

How does one tell if their horses are low mid or high? I haven't figured it out yet.

ObsidianKitsune · Jun 13, 2017 7:58 PM

Neither have I, but looking at this this seems to be the only explanation I can come up with. There's comp testing for stallions and AFPT but I don't know how to use them to judge exactly where a horse is.

All you can do is alter those lower papered than their parents to help improve on the quality, and comp test the boys.

Wildland Acres · Jun 13, 2017 11:13 PM

Looking at pt scores of foals, his average is in the 11.0- high tens range, matching up with what I see of average low a 3 gens. Still a pretty boy, but not the highest for 4 g

best friend · Jun 14, 2017 6:45 AM

Do you look at the AFPT scores of the foals to determine the quality of the studs as well?

KAMsSpare · Jun 14, 2017 8:43 AM

First sable I've seen! Are there others, what's the genetics on sable?

Wildland Acres · Jun 14, 2017 9:03 AM

AFPT can be used for studs as well as mares. For the sake of trying to produce best foals and the fact that stallions tend to have more foals to have to calculate than mares I tend to comparison test the stallions instead so I know exactly where they are, since AFPT can be erroneous at times and often fluctuates I only use it with mares since I cannot comparison test them as well.

Ritsika · Jun 14, 2017 9:17 AM

@KAMsSpare, if I recall correctly, sable is the term used for brown bay champagne. So a horse needs to have an E- At-Ch- at least to classify as sable champagne.

Classic champagne is E- aa Ch-
Amber champagne is E- A- Ch- (as long as the other agouti allele isn't At)
Gold champagne is ee Ch-

Waldgraf · Jun 14, 2017 9:23 AM

Yes! Sable champagnes are E and AtAt or Ata. I have a couple sable champagnes, including this fellow: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=831161. I love them and hope to breed more of them!

Quick correction on Ritsika's notes. Amber champagnes are both A- and A+- champagnes. And, A+ is dominant to all other agouti alleles and A is dominant to all but A+. Any horse with at least one of these alleles will be Amber champagnes, regardless of the other agouti gene.

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