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Why so different?
  • Both these gurls are gold champagne appaloosa.. why is one so pale compared to the other? Neither have sooty

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  • My guess would be that since both for LpLp, with the first one being ++ and the second one being PATN1PATN1 that the reason why the second one is so light is because it's really her appy blanket, and the first one just doesn't express that and will only show varnish.
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  • Yep, I think your second girl would be a leopard appy if she was het for Lp. But because she's homozygous she is a "few spot" and is white.
  • Are all few spots white?
  • No, but few spots have few or no spots.

    This girl is also a "few spot" but if she was L Llp she would have a large blanket with spots while your girl would be a leopard.

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    Raven Runemaster dECLL
  • (This is my understanding of appy terminology. I may be incorrect in my designations and if anyone is better versed in this, please step in to correct me!)
  • That marking is called a snowcap. Few spots are the hom version of a leopard.
  • Ok! I thought snow cap was the minimal white just at the top of the rump. Appy terminology is not very intuitive to me...
  • It goes snowcap, near few-spot and fewspot. Snowcaps can be pretty small blankets as well.
  • I agree, Cheers. I try my best to understand appy terminology but it doesn't seem consistent through forum discussions, and the only pattern I really recognize is leopard and varnish. I'll understand it eventually. :P
  • So would this be a snowcap then?
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    Clip of Dreams 5


    Do we have few spot patterns on here? I don't think I've seen any with this specific look, only ones that are similar to it.
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  • Thank you for the list Ammit :)
  • ColorGood yours is a near fewspot only due to the dark head and legs.... the third image on that chart for both snowcap and blanket is actually near fewspot and near leopard as both carry PATN1 which is the gene for leopard pattern
  • Ammit, does the game differentiate between PATN-1 and PATN-2? (I.E., do we have PATN-2 as a "hidden" gene, or is it not currently part of the HJ Appaloosa genetic code)?

    I ask, because: Since snowcap comes from PATN-2, and PATN-2 is not a (viewable, at least) distinguished gene on this game, are all of our horses with snowcap markings (that look like the draft mare Raven Runemaster referenced above) genetically, technically few-spots? Can we genetically call PATN-1 horses with a white blanket but solid colored barrel/extremities snowcaps?

    I didn't realize fewspot and snowcap were two different PATN genes until recently, I just thought the terms referred to different amounts of white on an LpLp horse. I erranously thought snowcap white stopped sooner than fewspot white, but was otherwise the same gene. After doing more research on PATN-1 vs PATN-2, I have more questions than answers.
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  • PATN2 is a dead theory and has been abandoned by researchers. :)
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  • I think I've got my head mostly wrapped around this now. Back to bashing my head against the dot size wall...
  • And Ammit, I just want to say again how much I love this game, how realistic it is and how satisfying it is to expand my grasp of color genetics as a I play and create gorgeous, fun pixel ponies. You've done an amazing job and I love all the things you keep working on!
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  • So I look at the genes to determine few spot. L(lp)L(lp) Eca3p(patn1)Eca3p(patn1) is a few spot. Following that these three horses are few spots:
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    2 Salted Caramel N

    This to me would be a typical few spot.
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    RC Sea Salt

    Shows more color but still a few spot.
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    3 Gypsy Tune n

    Shows almost no color.

    This one has L(lp)L(lp) Eca3p(patn1)Eca3p(+) and is a snowcap:
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    908622


    These are not hmz. L(lp) and are neither snowcap or few spot, even though looking at them they only have a few spots on their body. They have varnished or have white covering the appy and are blankets or leopards:
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    2 Honkytonk Angel AHNW

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    RC Mad Hatter

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    RC Appalachia Queen

    I may have it wrong - if I am, someone slap me and tell me to get it right!
    And I second Cheers sentiments - Ammit you do an excellent job. This is a game that is fun to play but always has a bit of a learning to it.
  • I agree with all of your classifications except for Appalachia Queen, who I think would be a true or near leopard if she didn't have white/Frame blocking her markings. I think you would be able to still designate her as a leopard.
  • Cheers - you are absolutely right. I took a second look at her, and the one (lp) and two (patn1) make a leopard/near leopard. I reckon that would an example of genotype over phenotype - right? I finally feel like I am getting a handle on appy ( now I am just waiting for Ammit to throw a curve with them :) )
  • 908622 is a near fewspot not a snowcap :), the presence of PATN1 is why it is as a snowcap wouldn't have the gene for leopard pattern. Hope that makes sense

    Being a mare and black based are both suppressors for appy color which is likely why she didn't end up a full fewspot if the game takes suppression into account
  • Being a mare and black based are both suppressors for appy color which is likely why she didn't end up a full fewspot if the game takes suppression into account


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  • Just when I thought I had it figured out! I have to go find a wall now ....

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