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Timber · Jun 3, 2017 6:52 AM

I have begun to make a point to keep my RS separate from my regular herd. I rolled a White Wedding made intending to sell her but fell in love with her. She has a gene that I've been planning on making a line on for a long time, kitw.

That particular gene is quite volatile and the only way to breed with 0% risk is to breed to something without the Kit gene. None of the RS I've run across are without the kit gene. If my chances of finding a stable stallion for her is slim, I may go ahead and sell her since I am officially out of barn space.

fj1482 · Jun 3, 2017 6:54 AM

I know Brindle Break out may not have one. If they have any it might be W20 which is safe.

ConfluenceFarms · Jun 3, 2017 6:58 AM

Some people may have GMTd the genes off of their RSs. I take the cream off my Rhythm of Fours. Most of my foundation stallions don't have Kit anymore, and a bunch are RS Ex Perfs. You are welcome to look through them and pick one, or more, for straws.

Timber · Jun 3, 2017 7:02 AM

Well I can't really afford GMTs and I'm a free account trying to drag my sorry but to a basic upgrade. I was jumping on the Rank Specials with the intent to sell them and help myself get that upgrade a little quicker but I keep falling in love with the ones I'm getting lately.

WindwardFarm · Jun 3, 2017 7:02 AM

White 20 is actually not totally safe when combined with W but it's pretty low risk. Tobiano, roan, and w20 are only lethal when combined with White if the foal is born with an Extensive white factor. If you look atthat the full calculation matrix Google doc (click on the link that's underneath the colored boxes chart) you can get some more detailed information.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/13757/new-kit-lethality-and-kit-mutation-load-explained#Item_12

WindwardFarm · Jun 3, 2017 7:08 AM

The candy appleloosas don't always have a Kit gene, they can randomly get one but it's not part of that herd helper. My mare didn't get one. If you want a candy appleloosa stallion that doesn't have any Kit genes, you can see if anyone else has one that they'd be willing to trade for your candy appleloosa. :)

WF Apple Bottom Jeans RS

WindwardFarm · Jun 3, 2017 7:10 AM

Rhythm of Four horses can also have no Kit mutations. If you look in the thread where people posted their Rhythm of Four horses, you can see that some have kit mutations and some don't.

Timber · Jun 3, 2017 7:16 AM

Yeah I noticed the Rhythm of Four horses genes. Kicked myself for rolling a made but love her anyway. She would look gorgeous with kits on her. I plan to put her with my yule log ashes boy.

But since I have to run to work. I'm going to shelve this and weigh my options later.

WindwardFarm · Jun 3, 2017 7:27 AM

I took a look at the list of all the different herd helpers and here are the ones other than Candy Appleloosa and Rhythm of Four that I believe aren't guaranteed to have kit mutations. If you get one of these, I think any kit genes it gets will just be random.

Bring Back The Sun:
Though the days may be cold the night has not won, for tonight is the night that we bring back the sun. All horses will be exceptionally perfect black brindles, but may also have additional rare genes.

Out With A Bang:
May your year go out with a bang, and your new year be filled with light. All horses will be Silver Sable Champagne Frame exceptional producers and may also have additional rare genes.

The Blackest Night:
Just shadows in the night and nothing else. Right? All horses will be black brindle.

Silver Pocket Watch:
All things come and go but this silver pocket watch, it has endured. It comments on the slow trickle of time with a simple mantra. Tick, Tick, Tick. All horses will be true breeding Silver Black Splash. They are homozygous for black, silver and splash but may also have other rare genes.

Texas Tea:
A sweet warm wind perfumed with the sent of yellow roses, a porch swing and a mason jar filled with Texas Tea. It is not just summer, it is home. All horses will have the splash and frame gene, but may also have other rare genes as well. All horses will be brindle.

All Washed Up:
I might look like I am all washed up on the outside, but inside I still have the heart of a champion. All horses will be homozygous for Cream, Dun, Silver, and Champagne, but may be any base color. All horses will be exceptional producers.

Brindle Breakout:
All horses created with this special Herd Helper are guaranteed to be brindle! All base colors are possible and horses might also have other patterns.

Storm Warning:
There is a storm coming. A brooding darkness that threatens to swallow you. It surges and crashes, and seems to break the world a part. But in the heart of it all, there is a seed of light. And this light is the love of good friends. The beacon that will lead us from the night. All horses will be true breeding Silver Classic Champagne Dun Splash Frame and be exceptionally perfect creates.

Freaky Friday:
Anything could happen on Friday the 13th.
Released on HAJ2: yes
Genes and colors: homozygous Dense Pheomelanin, homozygous sooty, homozygous frame

Wet n Wild:
Salt spray and a stiff warm wind, tousled my person. It swirled and danced around me. I think I was reborn that day, in the sunshine, on that pier. Reborn a wild sea nymph. Free and new again.
Released on HAJ2: yes
Genes and colors: heterozygous wild bay, homozygous splash, heterozygous frame

Yule Log:
Snowflakes swirl down gently in the deep blue haze beyond the window. The outside world is a dream. Inside, the fireplace is brightly lit, and the Yule log crackles with orange and crimson sparks.
Released on HAJ2: yes
Genes and colors: brindle, heterozygous brown, heterozygous rabicano, homozygous sooty

King's Ransom:
Gold, silver and pearls, rare flavors from exotic lands, a treasure trove of the rare and precious. It could all be yours, for a King's Ransom.
Released on HAJ2: yes
Genes and colors: champagne, cream, pearl, Dense Pheomelanin, silver

Dark Chocolate:
Simply decadant.
Released on HAJ2: yes
Genes and colors: red, Dense Pheomelanin, homozygous sooty

Candy Corn:
A stripy white, yellow and orange treat! It might look like harvest left overs but this corn is a sweet surprise.
Released on HAJ2: yes
Genes and colors: heterozygous wild bay, homozygous splash, homozygous silver

First Snow:
Exciting flurries with always the promise of much more to come. All horses will be black varnish appaloosas rabicanos and exceptionally perfect.
Released on HAJ2: yes

Wildland Acres · Jun 3, 2017 9:07 AM

I could send you straws from my King's Randsom boy if you need.

Timber · Jun 3, 2017 3:59 PM

I can't use straws yet.

Cheers · Jun 3, 2017 4:29 PM

Timber there are usually quite a few Freaky Fridays up for public stud. If you are interested in any of these Rank Specials as a stallion for your girl, you can go to horse search and plug the rank special name you like into the tattoo name slot at the bottom and then click For Breeding and Stallion. That should get you a list of all the stallions from that Rank Special that are up for breeding and you can choose from there, or decide to look at other Rank Specials.

For instance, here is a search of Freaky Friday stallions up for stud right now.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=breeding&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=Freaky+Friday&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

They are all the same quality of stallion, so you could choose any one you fancy and breed your mare to him for the stud fee advertised! Just remember to check for other lethal genes, like frame to frame.

Timber · Jun 3, 2017 4:33 PM

I'm gonna auction off my Stars and Stripes since I just cannot get myself to like her colors. My old Stars and Stripes is much prettier. So that solves the space issue.

I think I will keep her and screen some studs for her next season. Hopefully I can get that basic upgrade before next season.

GallifreyanAngel · Jun 3, 2017 8:48 PM

I have two RS stallions (Yule Log and Bring Back The Sun) that I place up for public stud, so you would be able to use them. They would be safe to breed to your mare as neither have any Kit genes

Timber · Jun 3, 2017 9:18 PM

Thanks @gallifreyanangel! I will certainly keep that in mind.

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