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When to Stop Breeding a Generation
  • When do you know it'd time to stop breeding a specific generation? Not this next breeding season but the one following that most of my 2nd gen mares will be able to be bred and I already have one 2nd gen stallion that I bed this year that I like. Is it a good idea to start changing out my primary pasture to having my 2nd gen girls in it? I could use the funds of selling of the foals my foundation horses have and I feel like leaving them in the pasture is the most cost effective way to do this.

    *I can't really afford another pasture yet and would like my 2nd gen mares to be able to produce their highest quality foals with the pasture bonus. I also like having cheaper breeding and selling the foals my foundation mares give me.

    Red Rock Ranch
    Home of the Rubidean Warmblood

    Player #25583
  • I'm working on 3rd gens now. You're gonna need mares to breed to that boy, so start an 'outcross' line, maybe?
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  • I would think you'd want to continue to breed some of every generation just to continue to be able to have horses to breed to as some die or get culled.

  • I stop breeding a generation when the mares have replaced themselves. So if I started with 50 foundation mares, I would stop breeding them when they gave me 50 intact second generation mares. These mares are usually spread out over 3-4 months, so my first few rounds of breeding second gen-ers I will still be breeding foundations.

    Usually I will pick up 2-3 superior studs in that time frame as well.
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  • Never. You will always need more mares.
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  • dark star: Remember, if you only get 2-3 superior colts in the time you get 50 mares, then there will only be 2-3 mares that are superior to their dams too.
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  • Red Rock: I kept breeding all generations, though occasionally I would skip a generation one season if I ran out of time. Maribo's point is key here--you will continue to cull out some mares every season if you are culling strictly for quality and you will need to replace the mares you've eliminated. You also will hopefully continue to breed higher and higher quality colts in each generation as you replace inferior mares with better ones, so your top colt this season may be replaced by an even better one in June or July.

    What I think you are really asking is which gen should be in your pasture since you can't afford to buy a second one right now. I would probably stick to whichever generation you have the most breedable mares in right now. You've indicated you have a season or two before your gen 2 girls grow up...maybe by then you can afford a pasture. If not, you will at least have a couple of seasons of cheap pasture foals to add to your breeding herd or send to auction!
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  • Currently I have 5 foundation studs and 24 foundation mares. I'm breeding one stud each season starting this season. Essentially by the end of the 5th season I'm hoping I'll have at least one intact foal from each mare. I'll probably have to cull the stallions at that point as I'm already overrun with superior colts and not enough fillies. And if I don't have enough fillies I'll just have to breed some more. Or buy some 2nd gen mares to fill out my ranks. I'll continue breeding my foundations and selling foals until all the 2nd gens are ready and by then I should have a second pasture. I'll start the same process with the 2nd gen horses breeding 2 studs at a time so that any mares related to the first stud will still be covered that season.

    No idea what I'll do for gen 3 as that will take some serious planning.
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  • I don't stop breeding a generation, but I do breed less of the foundation/lower gens until I can get new bloodlines
  • I am by NO means an expert or seasoned vet here. I do feel that I have made some pretty drastic ground in a short amount of time by reaching out to a few key players for tips and using my own knowledge with breeding dairy cattle to make a protocol.

    When I started out, I bought as many foundation mares as I could. Foals sell. Quick cash. I bought the best stud I could find (foundation stud). I ended up with several that were pleasing but only ONE stayed intact my first breeding season. Then I learned about pasture breeding and having your mares sit in the pasture and gain their pasture bonuses. Using that huge tip, I made several quite nice G2s of my own, but I also used the extra money from the junk foals to reach beyond and start finding mares of other generations to outcross and build from.

    Now I'm going steady, and I actually just recently did a huge major herd reduction. I have two 30 horse pastures and three 10 horse pastures which I purchased with RL money. That sped things up for me pretty drastically. I was able to expand rapidly and bought a cash pack to help. I then sat on what I had for a month, utilized mares up for brood and kept pushing foals for cash flow. Before herd reduction, I had the 60 horse pasture, one 30 horse, and one 10 horse all filled with Foundation mares. I utilized Perfect Foundation and Top Notch Producer studs with 9.9PT. I made the cut to Red papered, 9.8+PT, Consistent Foundation mares. I was able to sell the quality mares back through public auction. I then chose where my next generations should be and set a cull-line. Anything under my cull-line is sold. I have also learned a few tips to save cash that otherwise was being spent carelessly on my part (like testing everything in every category-including altered horses). Now with foal batches, I start immediately with a Breeding Advice. If they pass, then they get Genetic Test, followed by Performance Inspection. If they look good in all categories, I then lastly test the Breeding Inspection to finalize. This saves me a load of cash that would be carelessly spent.

    Still learning the game, and going with the flow. My best at the start are laughable now, but you have to start somewhere!

    In my opinion, and I likely will KEEP retaining ALL generations around in various pastures. I like to keep open bloodlines going, and watching progress as well as toying around with new stock! I'm now working on my first batch of G5s. :D
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