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As a still relatively new player, I've just wrapped up my breeding for my first full season and now have a barn-full of new colts and fillies. The results were 39 foals that passed SBA and, of those, 37 papered higher than their parents. Almost half are stallions and half are mares. I originally assumed that only a small percentage of my foals would pass breeding inspection and my decisions would be easy! This, however, proved not to be the case.
I've been eavesdropping on previous threads and have absorbed a fair bit of information, but am curious to hear what strategies people use for deciding which foals to keep intact, which to neuter and show and which to sell (it's like the marry, kiss, slap game!)
Here's the barn with all the foals that passed SBA:
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?owner=26294&owner_lm=like&barn=17676&barn_lm=like&runsearch=1&offset=25
Though I'm interested in various strategies, I have a couple specific questions:
• Do you generally keep more mares than stallions intact?
• I've repeated the "PT isn't related to breeding and low PTs can be good breeders" mantra! Since this is the case, should foals with higher PTs be neutered and shown and those with lower be kept for breeding?
• Especially for newer players, is the benefit of neutering foals and showing greater than selling foals that you don't keep for breeding?
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Well, can't really help you out with the culling much, but here's my pointers!
1. I ALWAYS limit my stallions. I have specific colours that I breed for (appy, dp, etc) and I have about 1 stallion for each. Since 1 stallion can cover 50 mares, it's no use having 20 stallions and 30 mares in my opinion.
To cull my boys I look at the colour they have. Then I look at the current boy I have with that colour. If the new one has more interesting colours, or ties into some other colours (eg ee, to help with my dp breedings), they tend to be kept over the other one. I like my boys to have high-ish pts, since that means they'll rake in some points.
2. I only keep max 4 neutered foals per breeding season, basically. Just enough to keep my showers going down in the generation. However I am a small barn, so very limited space. Usually I keep due to what colour I like, not pt, and so far they've turned out well. The rest of my neuters I auction.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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For example, here are all my 2gens. This was my third breeding season, so I don't have much, but they're expanding.
My mares. You can tell that I don't really care about clours with them, since some are filled with colours, yet others are rather plain. If they pass breeding advice, I'll keep them. 14 in total as of post.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&mare=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=2&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=20894&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1
And these are my boys. Thor, the oldest, I got winning a contest and I wanna experiment with his sabino. I will probably never replace him. Next is a white spotted splash frame from my favourite foundie stallion. Zippy will get replaced when one of his brothers test greater than sire, since he's only AGA. The next two are half brothers, and will never get replaced. Doubts is hom DP, and Chocolate is chocolate palo appy. The leaves the final one, my appy boy, Splash. He replaced a bay appy this season, since he has so much more colours in him. It may take a while for him to get replaced.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=2&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=20894&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1
And when in doubt, comp test the boys! I'm hopefully getting to the point where I can every so often.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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Excellent information! I'm definitely more interested in strategies, like you described, than an actual foal-by-foal culling advice. The link to the barn is generally there for reference!
It sounds like you go by the breeding advice tests to determine breeding quality. Especially for stallions, if I'm understanding correctly, you look at physical/color traits if they pass the breeding tests. -
I also generally limit my number of stallions because I quite simply don't need as many since a single stallion can breed up to 50 mares. But I tend to use comparison testing to determine which studs to keep, as a first step after breeding advice/papering. I only keep stallions that paper superior to their sires, and if I still have too many I comparison test them against one another to figure out which (if any) are superior. Any superior studs will get kept and the inferior ones will be gelded (or auctioned if I thought they'd sell for more due to colours, etc.).
If you have the room to keep more neutered stock, do so - eventually they'll make more money for you in show points than they will in the auction. But many new stables don't have room to keep ALL of their neutered stock so either pick a few to keep or auction all of them. Currently on HJ2 I sell all my neutered foals because I'm such a new stable, and I buy show horses that already have 100+ show points so that they're automatically adding to my showing bonus rather than having to wait for them to earn some points like with foals.
For mares I'll generally keep all that pass breeding advice and my minimum papering requirements, which are: Yellow for foundations, Red for 2nd gens and will probably be Blue for 4th gens and Gold for 6th gens (I haven't gotten higher than 2nd gen yet so those may be subject to change if it turns out that NO 4th or 6th gens in multiple seasons paper that high). For reference, by stallion minimum paper requirements are C for foundations, B for 2nd gens, A for 3rd gens and probably Star for 5th gens. Notice that yes, this advances faster than the mares but only because I have many more mares than stallions so the stallions get culled more harshly to keep their numbers down and I therefore can afford to keep just the best of the best. This does lead to some uneveness in breeding ability between the mares and stallions but I've yet to figure out a way to avoid this other than to cull my mares so harshly that I only end up with a tiny handful lol.