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- best friend April 2017
- ConfluenceFarms April 2017
- Ritsika April 2017
- Timber April 2017
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AFPT of stallions?
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How can I tell what range they fall in whether they are low, mid, or high in their level? I am going through to see where they all lie?
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Well just going off what I seen from Doris:
9 to 10 is OK but not Wow worthy. "Dismisses you with a wave or her hand."
10.1 to 11 (maybe) is pretty good. "Gives you a slight nod"
I've not gotten anything higher than those numbers.
As for the other end of the spectrum I know she frowns at 8.9 and below, downright glares at anything below 7(I think) and has been known to faint at anything below 1.
Don't quote me on this. I'm just going off what I've observed and what people have save about their PT scores.Be not afraid to ask questions. You're not the only idiot in the room.
Striving to become a quality Draft breeder. -
How are you coming up with their range by AFPT scores?
I have several B and A studs? how do I figure out if they are low B mid B or high B by looking at their AFPT scores? -
@best friend, to get an average foal PT score you need to add all of the PT scores of the stallion's foals then divide by the number of foals. If you have a premium membership, the AFPT score is listed on the stallion's (and mare's) family page above or below the link to the foals.
As an example:
3G Eridanos nx
Has 27 live foals. Of the 27, I have only PT scored 19 of them: ranges from 11.5 to 9.7 score.
(11.5+11.2+11.1+11+11+11+10.9+10.9+10.9+10.8+10.6+10.5+10.4+10.3+10.2+10.2+10+9.7)/19 = approximately 10.6 AFPT score.
I hope this example helps. I am not certain that looking at the AFPT score will help you determine a low, mid, high paper level. I would still trust comparison testing before AFPT scoring. -
The average of a series of numbers is a quick and dirty way of determining how that particular series of data is gonna go. For example if I have a horse that is pitching out an AFPT of 10, I should expect to see a lot of 10 PTed (or at least very close to that score) foals coming out that horse. A high AFPT is supposedly indicative of good breeding potential.
So let's run that number by Doris. What do you think, Doris?
7 and below= glaring and fainting = probably a failed score
9 to 10 = dismisses with a wave of the hand = probably a base score of C or Red
10.1 to 11 = slight nod= probably B or Blue
Higher than those probably Yellow or A to Gold or Star. I honestly don't know the number ranges for these.
The next logical leap from there is to assume that the higher the numbers in that range the higher the quality of that particular paper score. If I knew the actually number ranges that correlate to Doris's behavior I could probably break down a theoretical range.
Now I'm just gonna tack onto the end of this that I misread the title of your post but came up with that theory after looking everything over. Since I'm a free account I'm always analyzing the numbers to compensate for not being able to paper and such. I'm not sure how plausible this little rule of thumb is but it seemed most logical to me.Be not afraid to ask questions. You're not the only idiot in the room.
Striving to become a quality Draft breeder. -
You know I'm actually kinda itching to analyze this now. I'm off to go through 5813 pages of horses to test my theory and come up with a range. I'll get back to you.Be not afraid to ask questions. You're not the only idiot in the room.
Striving to become a quality Draft breeder. -
Well that was enlightening.
After going through and looking at the displayed AFPTs in horse search, I came up with the following data.
Star Range
12.60 to 10.87
A range
11.51 to 10.17
B range
10.76 to 9.00
C range
10.40 to 8.70
While these ranges will help people who have access to papering, the overlap in values makes it clear that AFPT is not a substitute for papering.
My theory does not work so please disregard.
Be not afraid to ask questions. You're not the only idiot in the room.
Striving to become a quality Draft breeder. -
AFPT is not the only criteria for Stallion papering, (or mare papering, or PT scores) though. There is that magical breeding woo that comes in.
I'm seeing an awful lot of people expecting things to be cut and dried (not you, bestfriend, and I'm not saying Timbers math doesn't have a place, but....) If all breedings were a sure thing there wouldn't be any point to the game. Ammit has to keep SOMETHING a mystery, to keep us all trying. Sure, it is all numerical because it is, after all a computer game, but there is some part of the code that she is just not going to tell us.
Bestfriend: Comparison testing will tell you which of your A papered stallions are better than the others. Extrapolate from that which is low, mid and high. I will bet (although remember I am DISMAL at math) that the low ones have a lower AFPT and the higher A's have a higher AFPT.
Again, I remind you that I am MATHEMATICALLY CHALLENGED, I was a Psychology major, for heavens sake! I am MUCH more comfortable dealing with intuition than with statistics! -
Yeah just at 8k it gets expensive. So was just thinking that the studsAFPT scores could give me an insight of their breeding ability.
I love the mystery in the game.Thanked by 1ConfluenceFarms -
I seldom comparison test. I just hope that the different AFPTs (with in the same paper range) are somewhere CLOSE to that low, mid, upper 'rank'.
LOL! And, if the tests were all free Ammit wouldn't be able to make any money off of us! -
Very true.
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Super cut and dry tests suck the fun out games of like this. Much more fun to experiment and analyze.Be not afraid to ask questions. You're not the only idiot in the room.
Striving to become a quality Draft breeder.Thanked by 1ConfluenceFarms -
True but I am not an analtical person. It is hard for me to tell if my horses are good. That is probably why I have so many studs to though because I can't decide which genes I really want to strive for.