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@ellieroseek,

You are not overthinking it! The instant papering for mares is a new feature and testing has been revamped in such a way that we are all left a little unsteady - in a good way because we are finally having even breeding quality regulated by inspection. Instead of speculating the breeding quality of a certain horse until they had enough foals to paper. This is were is gets a little hazy.

Even though a mare papered red doesn't mean she is the same quality as another mare who papered red. With stallions, you can comparison test them to each other and it is becomes quite obvious that, though they may have the same paper level (for example B), they are not the same quality. Paper levels are a certain benchmark of quality, but we have a gradient inside that benchmark.

That being said, you can cull your horses however you please. At this time, I will not be culling any second generation mare that papers Red - even if her dam papered Red as well - because I am using perfect foundation horses. Perfect foundation horses have 100% breeding ability but they can still throw some low random variable that contributes to breeding quality. They could also throw some high random variable to contribute to a higher breeding quality. The sire also contributes to the breeding quality of the foal. That being said, I would anticipate that my Red papered second generation mare would be a "high" Red compared to my foundation mare that papered "low" Red because even Rank Specials (Perfect Foundations) can paper yellow, such that the line between Yellow and Red at the foundation level is really close.

After a second generation mare papers Red, I look at her AFPT score and require it to be at or above 10.3 in score. If the mare is not at the caliber, I can assume she is a "low" Red like her dam, and I don't need her in my herd.

Also understand that a B papered Foundation stallion is an exceptional create and is essentially "second generation" quality. Thus the intact ratio will probably decrease due to an unevenness of breeding quality will regular create mares. Though it would be interesting to see how he performs with Red papered regular create mares.

Full discussion: PT Scores...whats the standard

I hope that helps answer your question. :)