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Stallion Papering - Comp Testing
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I just tested a number of my 3 gen colts to my Benchmark 3 gen A papered Nexus stud. They all tested worse than him. All of the mares had the pasture bonus, and still my colts tested poorly. I am aiming to breed another A papered 3 gen. Is it due to their sire or am I just matching my horses badly? Or do I need to be super strict on my mares, which I already SMA and SAT tested?
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First question--did you paper the colts first? No point comparing a B to your A benchmark.
Second question--do you have an idea where in the A "spectrum" your Nexus colt is? Low, medium low, medium high, high? If you do, awesome. If you don't, it's all good but it can be helpful.
Third question--how big is "a number"? In the last two seasons I have bred 484 male gen 4 horses. (So my two and three year old crop). Of 484, 31 passed initial comparison testing. And in the process I found a new benchmark, a colt better than my old one but still A Papered so I have to now retest most of them again against my new benchmark, resulting in even less intact foals.
You aren't doing anything wrong. That truly superior foal is rare. It takes time. It takes perseverance. It takes culling ruthlessly. It takes constantly re-evaluating your herd. It takes snipping a stallion you absolutely love because someone better has come along. It hurts. This game is not for sissies or people looking for a quick fix.
The rewards are amazing, though. Of those 31 colts that are intact? 3 are *Stars and a good handful are As that are AGA *Stars. And that feels damned good, let me tell you. -
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A link so you can see my gorgeous stallions....and the amazing guys I had to geld. Homozygous satins. A KP. Ices. Rare Kit patterns. Some just really cool looking guys. And a lot of very plain stallions.... why do the pretty boys always get snipped? -
Cheers, I was comp testing them, but they all tested worse than Oceanus; therefore I did not paper any of them.
I am not sure where in the A grade he stands, but I have a few other A ppapered studs yet they are further down the line than 3rd gen.
I tested about 12 liver colts against Oceanus, and they were all Worse. *face palm* I will test a few against their sires just to get see if it would be worth it to paper any; if they fail they will get snipped.
I have a load of studs and colts that I really need to cull through because I have way too many; especially RS studs *ugh*. I may have to GMT a few into mares, as if I don't have enough of them to go through also. I need a serious boost in my show barns to keep up this testing. -
I love the coloring your geldings Grumpy and Labeled. I can't imagine having as many colts to go through as you have. If they don't pass testing, they don't get a name; they are just "Showing #" in my barns, I would go nuts naming every horse I own.
I already went through all of my stock, and snipped/spayed everything that was uneven bred except a small handful (3 or 4 horses which I might breed for flash show horses only) for the health of my herd. It is unfair that so many pretty ones get culled; eg, almost all house bred or lined brindles. Oh well, time to cull more stock out of the breeding barns and pastures. -
Stunner I always stallion paper before I comp because Papering is cheaper. If I can snip even a handful of colts for inferior Papering instead of spending money comp testing them, I find that worth it. I also Gelding Paper anything snipped by earlier testing...it's free so I figure why not!
I have had many naming schemes for show ponies but my current one is from a website that lists adjectives in alphabetical order...I'm in the Ls right now... will have to find a new scheme in a couple seasons! -
How long should one concentrate on a generation?
I am right now in a predicament that I jave way to many studs to mares?
Should I try to compare my studs to each other like my 2g studs?
I still dont understand how to find a benchmark? Can someone explain how they did it?
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@Stunner; Naming the horses is a HUGE part of the fun, for me! When I was on my 2 year "I'm-not-playing-if-I-can't-have-WHG" tantrum hiatus I kept hearing a phrase, or a word and thinking "that would be a GREAT name for a horse!". I have a list of over 2000 of those names and phrases that I wrote down!
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How long should one concentrate on a generation? I concentrate on them until they are, as a general group, where I want them and they are producing really high quality foals to go on to the next generation. That said, while I am pretty happy with my gen 3s now and will shift my focus to my gen 4s, I have breeding lines that were started later and therefore are behind and will need specific focus at lower generations to get them up to standard. For instance, I have several nice gen 2 KP stallions but no KP boys at gen 3. So I never really quit paying attention to a generation...I just may not be having to cull as hard on the mare side of that generation as I was.
It's way too easy to have too many stallions. Different players have different philosophies there. I believe strongly in then benchmark theory, but even within that I tend to be comparing each stallion to both a benchmark and to a superior to benchmark horse (often the benchmark for the next generation) or a superior to the last generation benchmark (in the case of my gen 3s, who must be superior to my gen 2 A Papered stallions). That way I'm constantly scanning for colts that are even better than my current benchmark....but this is a bit obsessive and quite expensive...
Should you compare your gen 2s to each other? Didn't you already do this a month or so ago and everything was AGA? Comparing stallions of a generation to each other can be a way to find a superior foal, but it's an awful expensive way to do it if you're going to be completely scientific about it.
How did I find my benchmarks? When I started playing, there was an older player who is no longer in the game who had a similar breeding and culling philosophy to the one I use now. The philosophy made sense to me, as did the constant striving for better quality. She had some really beautiful stock and I was able to buy some colts from her that had tested AGA her benchmarks. So I started by comparing my colts to the ones she had bred. After a little while I was actually able to breed a colt that was superior to hers, so he became my new benchmark. And it sort of gained momentum from there and now my gen 2 colts from regular lines are required to test AGA a low A to pass muster. My colts from boosted lines will be required to Paper A and I have no doubt that the next phase of my game will end up seeing me breeding higher quality boosted lines so that then I'm running two threads at each generation.....
when I don't have a benchmark to test to, I require my colts to be superior to the best stallion one generation below them. So, for instance, if you created any ExPro or ExPerf stallions from the recent herd helpers, I would compare your colts to him looking for AGAs or even better, superior colts. And when you get frustrated, I remind you to look at the numbers above to help remind you how many foals you really need to put on the ground to get that superior colt or filly that is actually advancing your lines. -
I did. I compared dancers foals to the stud. I bought off of you. They were aga to leaves. I dont understand what a benchmark really is. I know one is important. Since leaves is my benchmark I am looking for a colt to be superior to him then the new colt would be my new benchmark correct?
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That's how I do it. Certainly if all your colts are comparing AGA a benchmark, it's not much of a benchmark!