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a handful of noob questions
  • I started the game yesterday and after having read about a page or two of the help section I still have a few questions.

    I read in some of the topics something about cross gen breeding. I'm assuming that means breeding two horses from different generations. It seems to be frowned on. Why? Does it somehow harm the foals?

    Breeding seasons start at the beginning of the month. Do they have to be bred on that day or can they be bred later in the month and if so how long before they are born? How does the amount of time between their birth and the end of the month affect their performances as show horses or breeders?

    Do horses that are better for breeding also produce better show horses or should I be looking to breed horses with better show records to get better show horses?

    Nobody seems to have mentioned anything about inbreeding. In the real world it would be detrimental but also in the real world line breeding where the sire of the sire is the grandsire of the dam is considered acceptable. Is there a penalty for these and what is it?

    Does spaying a mare do anything for her performance or is it only so the new buyer can't use the genes?

    Should you always breed light body horses to light body horses? What happens if you mix body types or is it even possible? Is it frowned upon?




  • Welcome to Hunt and jump. I'll tackle your questions. Thank you for asking such specific questions (they are much easier to answer than general ones).

    Breeding mixed generations is frowned on for a couple of reasons. You have the best chance of getting intact foals if the stallion and mare are of similar breeding ability. Most players try for increasing quality with each generation so if you breed mixed generations it is more difficult to get intact foals (since the Gelding and Mare Advice tests compare the foal to its parent of the same gender). If you do get an intact foal it is more difficult to determine it's relative breeding ability if you want to breed it to a mate of similar ability. Also many players dislike the messy appearance of an uneven pedigree. Because of these things uneven pedigree horses don't sell well. However if you are breeding solely for yourself, they can make very good show horses.

    You can breed any day from the 2nd (for upgraded players) or 3rd (for non-upgraded members) through the midnight rollover between the 27th and 28th. Foals are born immediately. If you use your pasture, you can manually breed the pasture any day of breeding season after the 4th or it will breed automatically when you log in on the 14th (if there are breedable mares and stallion present). The time of the month they are born has no effect on them. Foals do not train, so all of a season's foals start training together on the 1st of the next month. If you show your foals, ones born early in the month can gain a few points, but since the most they get is half a point per show, it isn't enough to make much of a difference to their lifetime point count.

    Breeding ability and training ability are 2 separate things. When a foundation horse is created the game pulls 2 random numbers, one for the breeding ability and one for the training ability. There is absolutely no link between them. The training ability determines how much the horse adds to its score with each training and how long the horse will train. Actual show performance is highly influenced by luck and does not effect either breeding or training. When you breed a foal, the breeding ability numbers of the mare and stallion are combined with a random number twice to determine its breeding and training ability, so better breeders produce both better show horses and better breeders. If you use individual live cover the foal's breeding and training ability can each fall anywhere within a fairly wide range of possibilities. (An experiment was done a number of years ago that determined that crossing 2 perfect foundations could create foals with PTs ranging from 8.9 to 10.4, and the breeding ability range is likely to be similar.) The way the pasture bonus (from leaving mares in the pasture as long as possible up to 30 days before breeding them) works is that it increases the chance that the random numbers will place the foal's stats at the top of the range possible from that cross.

    Inbreeding has no effect on foals, although some player prefer to avoid it.

    Spaying a mare or gelding a stallion does slightly improve how well they train. I am not sure of the exact amount of the bonus, but it can make a difference over the life of the horse. 19 of my top 25 lifetime point earners are neutered, although number 2 is an intact mare.

    You can mix body types if you want. What happens is that the bone weights of the sire and dam are combined with a random number to determine the bone weight of the foal. If you breed a riding horse to a warmblood, you could get either, although the foal's bone will likely be somewhere between the sire's and dam's. The same for breeding a warmblood to a draft. If you breed a riding horse to a draft you are almost certain to get a warmblood. Height works the same way.


    I was jllewis on the old forum.

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  • Thanks for the specific questions! This is a complex game, and I still ask questions, it is just good to know what we should go into first.

    Q#1 Breeding Mixed Generations (Uneven Breeding):
    This is a topic with many mixed feeling out there. You are correct, even breeding is breeding by generations (Gen one it completely made of created foundation horses, gen two is made up of horses where both parents were created foundations, gen three has horses where all grandparents are created foundations, etc.) Some people avoid even breeding because if done right the quality of your horses will go up far quicker than with incremental improvements with generation breeding, but this requires you get a very high quality horse that someone else bred (Usually a stallion, because you can expect that all the foals the gender of the far higher horse will be fixed if sent through free testing because free testing tells you if they are close to quality of the parent that gender, and they don't have a chance if the high quality parent is high enough, but they might make better show horses (I once bred a foundation to an evenly bred gen 6 to get a colt that was solidly generation 2 quality, so not the most impressive change all the time).
    Others try to go for a higher intact foal ratio where they have a better basis to figure out the quality of their breeding horses (as the strategy I described above gives you practically solely mares for breeding and it is hardest to determine the quality of mares until at least seven real time months after they are born instead of being able to test right away with colts that is a real problem with extreme mixed generation breeding) Also people often don't like to rely as heavily of someone else's breeding for studs as someone else did the work, and everyone has different criteria for quality increase of each generation. Generation breeding helps have an equal(ish) intact foal and filly crop at the end of free testing and tells others what quality to expect from them by their pedigree when they are trying to decide if they should buy them and who to breed them to. With this you have to be careful that we are doing this for equal qualities, but everyone's lines are of different qualities (Especially at higher generations, or ow there are exceptional creates out there) so just because a horse is a certain generation doesn't mean that it equals your certain generation. You get a feel of which breeders breed closer to your standards after a little while.
    Others go for a blend between the two, don't shun uneven, but usually with just one or two generations between parents instead of five or six, and then we try to guess what generation the uneven hors would match and then put it with those horses and greet it as if it were that generation. There are mistakes that get made, and sometimes I have to move mares several times to figure out how to get intact fillies and colts from them, and that loses possible breeding foals, but as I have so many evenly bred horses and horses that already are matched that the few I loose don't make much of a dent anymore. I also use this method, for if there is a horse I like, but I know it isn't the quality I want for that generation I send it to a lower generation that I think it would fit, such as a 5g colt I got from a sire who is now deceived, but the colt matches my 3g stallion in quality. The catch is, while I know that all his decendats from 3rd gen quality mares would be the quality of 4th gen even bred horses, buyers don't know that. They look at pedigrees and think they are somewhere between 6th and 4th gen quality, so they might put them with fifth gen horses with poor results, one of the reasons why people don't like buying uneven, because we want intact (breedable) foals, so it is best to mark horses with the generation quality. This strategy I could only make do with the testing available with a basic upgrade though, the horses I tried to do this with without the upgrade features ended up being stabs in the dark that more often than not were becoming worse in quality instead of better.
    Also breeding uneven when you don't much about how the game works is very risky and often doesn't create desirable results. I lost several foals out of what to date is one of my two best mares early on because I was breeding her to a foundation quality stallion. I almost culled her so many times because I was reading about other breeders who cull mares with three or so fixed foals, and she only gave spayed fillies, she had to be a bad mare. The other day she tested blue at gen three, so now I am really glad I didn't cull her. Uneven breeding then gave me the wrong views of my herd and gave me lots of fixed horses and poor quality breeders, so uneven breeding should be done with caution. Sorry about the essay, complicated game. On to the next one...
  • Q#2 When do you breed?:
    Breeding can be done any day from when it lets you start some time between the 2nd and 3rd of the month (depending on your upgrade or no upgrade level) and the 28th of the month when breeding is closed. If you have unbred horses of age right now I would breed them now while you have time so you don't loose the moth on foal growth. Pasture breeding starts the fifth of the month at 3 am game time. You can breed mares between 4 and 19 years of age and stallions between 3 and 19 years of age. All horses age up a year at rollover the first of the month no matter when in the month they were born. Breeding them now would mean that in real time it would be more like 2 month you have to wait to breed them instead of three, but gives them fewer weeks that first month to get show points, but they usually don't get too many until they start training as two year olds anyway.

    Q#3 Breeding for show quality:
    When breeding horses, the breeding quality of the parents is used to determine both the show quality and breeding quality of the foal. Many breeders like breeders to have good show quality too, but that has no affect on the foals.

    Q#4 Inbreeding:
    Inbreeding does not affect the pixel ponies as long as there are no lethal genes present. (You can find them in color testing the horse. Owl(Overo lethal white), and several of the white and splash genes are lethal with two copies.) Inbreeding would make these more likely to pos up, but that is more of a case of learning lethal genes and not breeding horses together that would have lethal combinations than a matter of inbreeding. Inbred horses without those would be absolutely fine, and unrelated horses with the lethal genes would have just as dead foals.

    Q#5 Spayed Mare:
    People often spay and geld horses that don't meet their quality guidelines for that generation. Spaying and gelding horses gives them a small show bonus. I think they train better when they are young or something. I personally don't know much about this. My horse in the showing leader boards currently is one of my brood mares (Come on show ponies!). Spaying and gelding also can certainly be used to prevent certain genes from going out there.


    Q#6 Mixing:
    Mixing body types can definitely be done. Also there is nothing to make breeding pony mares to tall stallions dangerous like it can be in real life. It just makes what style the foal will be harder to predict, but eventually as you learn the height and bone density scales you could even predict what the foal would more likely be. I haven't put that much effort in yet.
    Mixing colors will give you different color combinations. If you don't know what you want I'd suggest mixing and see what strikes you fancy. The only color mixing you have to be careful of is if parents have lethal combinations.
  • Just saw that there is an updated lethality chart in the discussions tab. I'd suggest giving it a peek, especially if you like paint horses.

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